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FAQ's - Painting Q's - Pg. 5


1. Q. Can I buff out my paint job and why would I want to do it?
A.
Yes you can, but it's not necessary. The reason to do it would be to produce a smoother surface or remove surface imperfections like orange peel, dry spray, runs & sags or dust nibs. But if the paint has a nice gloss and little contamination, there's no need to buff it. It's a lot of work.
2. Q. Will my newly painted car be shinier if I buff it out?
A.
Buffed paint won't be quite as shiny as unbuffed paint if the paint surface is smooth and properly applied. The difference is extremely slight and not detectable to most people. However, if you have an orange peely surface it should look a lot better buffed because you'll make the paint surface smoother.
3.

Q. What is the process of buffing out paint?

  • Wetsand surface with 1500 grit wet/dry sandpaper (block sand runs and sags first using 1000 grit paper)
  • Machine buff with electric buffer with course wool pad and appropriate compound (not wax).
  • Wash surface and dry
  • Buff with foam pad and foam pad compound or fine wool pad.

Use a buffer that does not exceed 2,500 rpm. If you go too quickly, you'll build up too much heat and damage (i.e. burn through) the paint. Mequires and 3M make good quality buffing pads and compounds. You can't use a $20 waxer/polisher to buff out a paint job like this, you need a real buffer, preferably one that is variable speed, or two speed. Wen (available from J.C. Whitney), makes a low-priced buffer that will do the trick. Nicer buffers from Makita, Bosch and Black And Decker are available from autobody supply stores and merchants like Tools USA and Autobody Toolmart.

4. Q. Do I need to sand the paint out in order to buff it?
A.
If you want to remove imperfections like mentioned above then yes, you need to wetsand the imperfections out.
5. Q. What about older paint on my faded vehicle, can I buff that too?
A.
Yes. If you have an older vehicle with faded paint, buffing it could make it look almost new again if the paint is in generally good condition. Car dealers buff cars out all the time to make them look nice again. Reds and dark colors really benefit from buffing. You don't need to wetsand the paint to do it, just start using the course wool pad and compound and then the foam pad. You'll be amazed how well it works! If your vehicle is only a few years old you can just try running a foam pad (using foam pad compound) over it. It should improve it's luster. If the paint is older and has micro-cracks in it it'll actually look worse because the cracks will load up with compound. Experiment in a small section first.
6. Q. Can I really buff using a foam pad??
A.
Yes. That the way to get a really nice shine and swirl-free finish. It runs cooler than a wool pad. Be sure to use rubbing compound made for foam pads.
7.

Q. Can I buff out enamel paint or another single-stage paint?
A.
You can but it's not recommended. When you spray a single stage paint a thin layer of UV protectant forms on it's surface. It helps prevent oxidizing and increases the longevity of the paint's gloss. If you wetsand and buff the paint, you will remove that layer and it will oxidize much faster. If you have a few runs or other imperfections in the side of your paint, you don't have much choice but to buff out the imperfections. But just for the sake of buffing the car out, I'd strongly advise against it.

I'll share a buffing story with you: Several years ago when I was still learning the craft, I had a collector car that I sprayed with a single-stage urethane paint. It looked good but there was dust in the paint that annoyed me. So, I sanded and buffed the hood, trunk lid, and tops of fenders to improve it's appearance. Within three months a layer of oxidation formed on the buffed area (entire upper part of the car) and it became dull and unsightly (for a collector car). I buffed it again and it looked good -- but for only about 3 months. I got myself into a cycle of having to buff off the oxidation before every car show to make it appear presentable again. I would have been better off spraying the car over. Had I used a basecoat/clearcoat paint in the first place, I could have buffed it successfully and it would stay shiny because the clearcoat finish is the UV protecting layer and is much thicker and can be buffed w/o oxidation problems. That's why I always recommend to beginners that want to do a good paint job to use a basecoat/clearcoat. If you get mistakes, you can fix them.

8. Q. I get water in my paint, what causes it and what can I do?
A.
You've got water in your air line. You need a moisture separator. If you already have one, check it's location or plumbing. It must be located about 18-20 feet from your air compressor and plumbed with steel or rigid copper line. What 's happening is after your compressor has been running for a while the air in the tank is warm and holds more moisture. The air cools as it goes through your airline and condenses into water droplets which eventually get pushed through your spray gun's nozzle. Don't keep painting, you'll have moisture problems. Clean, dry air is a must for painting.
9.

Q. What are some common mistakes rookies make and how to prevent them?

  • Cut corners. Leads to poor bodywork, and poor quality paint jobs
  • Don't block-sand high-build primer. Leads to wavy bodywork
  • Skip sealing stage. Using a sealer prior to painting can go a long way toward reducing potential paint problems
  • Intermixing products from different companies.
  • Clean out paint gun with lacquer thinner and forget to fully dry and blow out. Lacquer and basecoats don't mix.
  • Don't clean thoroughly with wax & grease remover. Can lead to paint problems
  • Poor masking. Can lead to trapped dust which may get into the paint. Plus, paint on trim looks bad and doesn't easily come off.
  • Painting on dusty floor. Water down floor to prevent dust from blowing up
  • Apply paint too heavy or too light. Practice on a old panel before spraying.
  • Uses inadequate spray gun. Get something decent.
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Q. What are some common paint problems and how can I fix them?

Paint Problem Appearance Likely Causes Fixes
Orange Peel Bumpy, texture like an orange
  • Too low air pressure
  • Too fast reducer
  • Gun distance too far or speed too fast
  • Improper atomization
Wetsand and buff paint
Fish eyes Craters in the paint
  • Oil, wax or silicates on paint surface
  • Contaminated reducer or spray gun
  • Used oily rags to clean off

Repaint.

Can also carefully fill each crater with a drop of paint, then sand and buff.

Dry spray Dull, gravely paint surface with poor gloss
  • Reducer too fast
  • Gun speed or distance to great
  • Overspray settled in paint
Wetsand and buff paint
Dull Was shiny when painted, then turned dull
  • Reducer too fast
  • Too few coats of paint
  • No sealer used
Wetsand and buff paint
Chalky Whiteish spots in paint
  • Reducers too fast and conditions too humid
Repaint
Scratches Faint scratches visible after dry
  • Too course sandpaper used
  • No sealer used
  • Primer not fully cure when sanded/painted
Wetsand and buff
Runs or sags Runs or Sags in paint
  • Too slow reducer used
  • Paint applied to heavy
  • Temperature too cold
  • Improper reduction
Block sand runs & sags and buff
Raised edges Visible spots around body work and where paint was sanded through
  • No sealer applied
  • Sealer applied too heavy
  • Improper atomization
  • Paint applied too heavy
  • New paint incompatible with existing finish

Repaint

Sanding and buffing may help

Bubbles or craters Small bubbles in paint
  • Water in air system
  • Surface contamination
  • Dust

Sand and repaint
** can try filling each crater with paint, then sand and buff

11. Q. I get a lot of runs, how do I prevent it?
A.
Sounds like you're putting it on too heavy. Make sure air pressure is properly adjusted at the gun and try increasing gun speed. Make sure the nozzle is about 8-10" from the surface. Adjust gun trigger so less paint comes out. Also be sure you are not using too slow of a thinner.
12. Q. Why does basecoat look dull, is that normal?
A.
Yes, that's how it looks when dry. It goes on wet but dries to a matte finish. The clearcoat gives it the shine.
13. Q. How many coats of paint/clear do I need?
A.
If it's a single-stage urethane or acrylic enamel, three coats is recommended. For basecoats, use two to three coats until it covers well and color is uniform. Two coats is iffy, three is usually good, even with metallics For clear, some high-solids clears can be applied in two coats. But sometimes they die-back and later look less glossy. Three coats and you can't go wrong. Four and five coats isn't necessary. It's not like in the old days when they would put on 10 coats of clear lacquer. You don't need that.
14. Q. My paint has a rough, or textured (orange-peel) look to it, what do I do?
A.
Wetsand the paint with 1500 grit paper an buff.
15. Q. My paint was really shiny after I finished painting it, but now it looks more dull.
A.
Sounds like either die-back of the clear or no sealer was used.
16. Q. How do I replace that tough rubbery coating on the bottom of my doors?
A.
That's called rocker guard. It is available in spray cans. You can apply it over your paint. Just mask off and paint according to directions.
17. Q. What is the best way to prevent rust now that my car is painted?
A.
Make sure all bodywork areas are properly sealed and undercoated. Get back behind holes and cover with seam sealer. If you can't reach, use a paint stick or a brush taped to a paint stick.
18. Q. What about undercoating my vehicle?
A.
Yes, it's a good idea. Undercoat behind bodywork areas. A little oil dribbled on the inside bottom of the doors is an old-timer's trick to keeping door from rusting.
19. Q. How do I replace my emblems so they don't fall off?
A.
Remove old adhesive with a scraper or razor knife. Apply new automotive-grade double-sided adhesive and trim edges and put back on vehicle. It should stick permanently. 3M makes a good quality double-sided auto trim adhesive.
20. Q. How much does a bodyman make and is it a good profession?
A.
A good autobody technician can make a very good living. Shops are always looking for good bodymen and pay well to keep good workers from moving on to other shops. A good bodyman can make $15-20/hr. Weather it's a good profession or not depends on the individual. It's a lot of work and conditions can be dusty and dirty at times. But it has it's rewards too. Working for a restoration shop allows one the opportunity to work on different vehicles.
21. Q. I'm really getting into paint and bodywork, how can I learn more?
A.
There are many good books out on the market. Motorbooks International and Haynes are two companies that publish paint and autobody books. They're very educational and well worth the money. Also, get to know the technicians and owner at your local body shop. Just talking to others is a great way to learn more about what's new and see different techniques that other shops use.
22. Q. Can you list some good paint and bodywork books?
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