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FAQ's - Painting Q's - Pg. 4


1. Q. What are the basic paint systems out there, and what is meant by a "system"?
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It's a company's paint line based on a certain type of paint. Basic types of paint include Lacquer, Enamels and Polyurethane. So, for example, DuPont's polyurethane line of paints are called "Chroma" system. Their basecoat paints are called "ChromaBase", Clears are "ChromaClear", etc. Their single-stage urethane paint is called "ChromaOne". Reading their literature, they have a specific protocol one should follow to achieve best results. The various products are designed to be compatible with one another and the reducers won't react negatively with one another when used as intended. But that might not be the case with other companies products. Spraying one company's base color over another company's sealer for example and third company's clearcoat on the base color is just asking for trouble. Compatiblity issues regarding their reducers and resins could occur resulting in a paint disaster. For that reason, it's a very good idea to stick with products from a single company.
2. Q. What are the differences between Lacquer, Enamel and Urethane paints?
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The basic components that make up each type of paint is different and they're not all compatable with each other. Enamels, for example, contain different resins than lacquer paints. You can't use enamel reducers to reduce (or thin out) lacquer paint, they won't mix. And you wouldn't use enamel reducers or any enamel hardeners for urethane paints. Lacquer paints are the oldest, then came Enamels in the 60's and 70's, and finally Polyurethanes, (or just "urethanes") in the 90's. Each system is based on certain base resins and represents an advancment in paint technology over the previous type of paint. Urethanes are the most recent edition to the paint line and considered a better quality product than previous paints. They're more durable and longer lasting while at the same time very easy to apply.
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Q. Can I just paint my car with spray can paint?
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Yes, you can -- but it'll look like crap. Small repairs in inconspicuous places like down low can be done with a spray can and won't be highly detectable. But for high-quality, long-lasting repairs, use automotive grade paints.

4. Q. I know a guy that sprayed his whole car with spray can paint and it looks pretty good. How did he do it?
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Maybe he just finished it and it looked ok while still 'wet'. But those paints don't have sufficient UV protecting compounds (if any) and it'll fade quickly, you just watch. Plus, it won't have any resistance to rock chips. In addition, what looks good to one person, particularly a beginner, might look like crap to another. We'd all like to be able to get nice quality paint jobs from $25 in spray cans but the ugly truth is you can't. There's a system to follow to get a quality paint job and using the right paint is of paramount importance.
5. Q. I used spray can primer, can I cover it with automotive paint?
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If it has been allowed plenty of time to dry you'll probably be ok, but there's no guarantee. There's a chance that the new paint's solvents might lift the edges of the primer. If it's been on your car for a week and you carefully use a automotive-grade primer or sealer before painting, you'll probably be ok. Lightly dust some sealer on the primer edge first and give 10 minutes to dry. Just lightly mist it on the spray can primer. Then apply the sealer like you normally would. It'll be less likely to lift.
6. Q. Where do I buy automotive-grade paint?
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There are automotive paint and body shop supply stores that sell it. Check your phone book or maybe ask some local bodyshop owners who the local bodyshop supply stores are. Also, it's available at many auto parts stores. You probably won't find it sitting on their showroom shelves, so ask the parts manager. If they sell it, you'll have to give them your vehicle's paint code (usually located on the driver's door) and they will have to mix it for you. Their mixing station contains a number of primary paint base colors from which they can mix about any color you need.
7. Q. How much does it cost to paint a car?
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Well, it depends on the size of car, if it needs priming and the type of paint you plan to use. But normally for a mid-sized passenger car, figuring sealer, masking tape, sand paper and sealer and paint it can run from as little as $200 for a true economy job using cheap paint, to $500 for extra primer and basecoat/clearcoat. If you plan to prime the whole vehicle and then seal and paint it with basecoat clearcoat, figure on $450 or so for all the supplies. You'll have reducers and hardeners left over for future job, though.
8. Q. Why are automotive paints and primers so expensive?
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Good question. I don't have a good answer for that. It's hard to imagine why some quarts of mass-produced paints can run $100! There are universal primers and clears on the market that are pretty good and cost significantly less than those sold by major manufacturers.
9. Q. I want to do a cheap paint job, what should I use?
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Nobody wants to spend a lot of money on a paint job so I tell this to everybody: Before you figure out what you want to spend, consider your vehicle and try to envision the quality of paint job you want to end up with. Spending more for higher quality paint will give you a nicer looking and more durable shine (provided it was applied correctly). Acrylic enamels are usually cheapest and will have a shine that lasts about 4-5 years (if a urethane hardener is used). They go on fast and look pretty good. If you're a beginner, the only problem with them is that once you spray it, you really can't fix runs or sags or dust, w/o taking away from the shine. A urethane paint will last longer. One inexpensive urethane paint is Martin Seniour's MSU paint line sold at most Napa stores. It's a watered-down urethane paint that is surprisingly good for it's cost. It's not much more expensive than an acrylic enamel. Most paint companies sell an economy line of urethane paints. I think the best bang for the buck is to spray a basecoat/clearcoat paint job using an inexpensive universal clear. That would give you repairability (if you get runs or dust during painting) and a shine that should last 8 or more years.
10. Q. What is basecoat clearcoat paint? Why is it good?
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It's a paint job where a base color is first sprayed down then a clear is sprayed on top of the base color. Urethane basecoat/clearcoat paint jobs can last 10 years or longer. Other reasons why it's a good paint system is it is, for a beginner, mistakes can be more easily fixed. It's more durable, better for making paint blends for later repairs and can be buffed to original luster even after many years.
11. Q. What are urethane paints?
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Paints based on urethane resins. A typical urethane paint system includes urethane undercoats (primers & sealers) and top coats (paints), and activators all based on compatible urethane resins.
12. Q. What is the difference between basecoat/clearcoat paint and single-stage?
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A single stage paint is applied in one stage - the painting stage. The paint is shiny when it dries. After painting, there's nothing else to apply. A basecoat/clearcoat system is considered a two-stage paint system because it requires two application stages: first the color paint (basecoat) must be sprayed on, then the clearcoat must be applied. The basecoat or color coat alone does not shine or have much durability. Indeed, you could easily scratch it up with your fingernail. The clearcoat is what gives the paint it's shine and durability. It's takes longer to spray a basecoat/clearcoat paint job -- you might have two or three coats of the base color and three coats of clear. That's 6 coats to apply. With a single-stage paint job you can put on three coats of paint and be done with it.
13. Q. What are the advantages of spraying basecoat/clearcoat on my vehicle?
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Longer lasting, increased shine, greater durability, increased reparability. Also, dust, runs and other mistakes can be buffed out without reducing the pant's durability.
14. Q. What are the advantages of single-stage paints?
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Less expensive, faster to apply. For solid dark colors like blacks and dark blues, when painted with a clearcoat, scratches appear whitish (because they're really in the clearcoat). Scratches in a single-stage dark color won't show up as well.
15. Q. Is basecoat/clearcoat paint better than single-stage paints?
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It depends on what the application is. Generally they will last longer and are more durable. Plus they can be buffed out periodically w/o removing the paint's UV layer like would happen with buffing a single stage. For newer vehicles and restorations it's the paint of choice. Personally, considering that they don't cost that much more than single-stage urethane paints, it's the only way to go. However, that's not to say that single stage urethanes don't last a long time either, they do.
16. Q. Will b/c last longer than other paints?
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Almost for sure, provided you're talking about a good quality urethane b/c system that was properly applied.
17. Q. What about regular acrylic enamel paint?
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It can be good for low-cost paint jobs. Be sure to use a wet-look hardener with it - it'll almost double it's life. You can get a universal hardener at a paint and body supply store. But before buying the acrylic enamel, price out low-cost urethane paints like the MSU line available at most Napa stores or consider spraying a base/clear job using an inexpensive universal clear. It's not that much more expensive and lasts longer. Plus, you can fix goof-ups.
18. Q. Can I use an enamel paint from a home center?
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Don't do it, unless you're looking for a paint that quickly becomes dull and has poor resistance to rock chips. If you're looking for a halfway decent paint job, at the very least buy inexpensive automotive enamel paints from an auto parts store. It will be better quality than home center enamel for about the same price or a little more. Automotive grade paint has more UV inhibitors than regular equipment enamel, so it lasts longer. Why put all that work into getting a vehicle ready to paint and then try saving a few bucks by using cheap quality paint? The best low cost job would be using low-cost automotive enamel and a wet-look hardener. The $30 hardener might be the difference between a 2 year shine and a 4- 5 year shine.
19. Q. My dad keeps talking about lacquer paint. What's the deal with it?
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Lacquer paints were used extensively throughout the the 60's and 70's and even into the 80's. But paint technology has improved. Modern shops use urethane paints almost exclusively. They just last longer. One of the major drawbacks of Lacquer paint is it becomes so hard and brittle that it chips easily. Lacquer paints also give off a good deal of solvents which damage the environment. They're illegal for use in many regions.
20. Q. I'm just starting out, are any paints particularly good for beginners?
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Acrylic enamels are relatively easy to spray and don't cost much. But my advice is to begin learning to use modern paints like single-stage urethanes and base/clear.
21. Q. What are hardeners and activators and reducers used for in paint?
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Reducers thin the paint out so the it flows through a spray gun and allows the paint to properly flow out after it's reached the paint surface. The reducers eventually evaporate. The hardeners engage in a chemical reaction that produces cross-linking and makes the paint harden up.
22. Q. Do I really need all the expensive reducers and activators (hardeners) for the paint? Are there any shortcuts?
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Yes. Modern paints require them. Trying to take shortcuts to save a few bucks nearly always results in lousy paint jobs. Stick with the type of reducers and hardeners that the paint calls for. A couple exceptions exist. universal enamel urethane hardeners are considerably cheaper and seem to work well. Also universal clears which cost less can be used. But not all clears are created equal. If you're doing a quickie repair on a bumper a universal clear might be the way to go. But if you're painting a 72 Chevelle that you spent two years restoring, stick with one company's paint system and their best quality high-solids clearcoat.
23. Q. Can I mix some hardener produced by one company with another company's paints?
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It may work but for quality jobs it's not a good idea. If it's a universal product, you can assume they've tested it with most brands of paint. Sometimes they'll even say on the label which products not to use it for. Use this rule of thumb: if it really matters and you absolutely don't want to do the job over, stick with one company's products throughout.
24. Q. What is the difference between slow and fast reducers?
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Slow reducers evaporate more slowly which makes them ideal for use on hot days. Otherwise, a standard reducer would evaporate quickly and reduce the paint's gloss. A fast reducer evaporates quickly and should be used in cold temps. It'll prevent the paint from running. Learning to use fast, medium and slow temp reducers helps create a paint that flows out well in various temperatures.
25. Q. What is a "wet-look" hardener, and should I use it?
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It's a urethane hardener that can be added to enamel paints. Enamel paint will harden w/o out it but with it it really gets glossy. Most shops that spray acrylic enamel paint use it. It reduces dry time, dramatically improves gloss, durability and longevity. Like the name says, it gives it the "wet look". Personally, I wouldn't even spray a set of old truck rims w/o using it.
26. Q. What is Wax & Grease Remover? Do I need to buy some?
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Yes, it'll help reduce paint disasters. Wax & Grease Remover is a cleaning agent that removes surface contaminates like oils and silicates which can lead to paint problems. It floats contaminants to the paint's surface where they can be wiped away with a clean cloth. Body technicians will typically wipe down a whole car with it before performing any repairs, and again before beginning the paint stage. Undetectable oils from the engine or road as well as interior and exterior cleaners which might have gotten on the paint can lead to disastrous paint problems. Sanding may just spread the contaminants. To avoid having to redo a paint job, wipe the repair area or entire vehicle down with wax and grease remover before beginning any repair work. Wipe the area to be painted once again before applying any sealer or paint.
27. Q. Who makes the best paint? How do I know which one I should use?
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That's a debatable question, like asking who is the best-looking woman/man. All the major paint companies produce good quality products. Each company has premium as well as economy paints. Many painters I have talked to feel Sikkens or PPG have a slight edge over the competition but a lot of it depends on how well one knows a certain paint line. For practical applications, they all have great products that work well. When choosing a paint system, many painters will tell you that availability is very important. Find a nearby supplier that has convenient hours for you and is willing to help you out and answer your questions. Also, once you decide, stick to one company's products. Paint products are expensive so it's cheaper in the long run so you don't end up with partial cans of reducers and hardeners from multiple companies laying around (intermixing is not recommended). The second benefit of using one company's products is you get to know their products well and learn to spray them better.
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Q. Can you list some links to company's websites?

BASF Sherwin-Williams 3M automotive products
Sikkens House Of Kolor Norton abrasives
Martin Seniour Kirker Auto Finishes Meguiar's
DuPont US Chemical Products Evercoat
PPG Spies Hecker Mirka abrasives
29. Q. What are "universal" clearcoats? Are they any good?
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They're clears that are made by a third-party company that can be sprayed over other company's basecoats. They're usually quite a bit less expensive than clears produced by the major paint companies, sometimes less than half of the cost. They have become quite popular in the last couple years because paints have become very expensive. They range in quality depending on the company but many shops use them for daily repairs and use the clears (by major mfgrs) for better quality paint work. Many companies producing universal clears are themselves well known companies that make quality fillers, primers and other automotive repair products. Evercoat and USC are two well known companies that produce autobody products that also make universal clears. Although most universal clears can be sprayed over most basecoats, be sure to read the can or data sheets to ensure compatibility with your basecoats.
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Q. So, what order that I should apply all these products in?
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Most shops do it one of a few different ways depending on the situation:

 
Bare metal, no bodywork needed:
 
Bare metal, bodywork needed
  - Bare Metal   - Bare metal
  - Self etching primer   - Apply filler & do bodywork
  - Epoxy Primer   - Self etching primer over bare metal
  - Sealer (optional)   - High-build primer (sand if needed)
  - Paint (or basecoat + clear)   - Sealer (1 med-wet coat)
      - Paint (or basecoat + clearcoat)

  Painting over existing finish , No bodywork needed   Painting over existing finish - Some bodywork needed
  - Clean w/Wax & Grease Remover   - Clean w/Wax & Grease Remover
  - Sand vehicle with w/360 grit   - Grind repair areas to bare metal
  - Sealer (1 medium-wet coat)   - Apply body filler (sand as necessary)
  - Paint (or basecoat + clearcoat)   - High-build primer over bodywork
      - Spray guidecoat over primer
      - Sand primer as necessary
      - Sand vehicle with minimum 320 grit
      - Sealer (1 med-wet coat) over entire vehicle
      - Paint (or basecoat + clearcoat)

**Many autobody repair technicians skip the self-etching primer stage and apply primer directly over bare metal. But for best rust prevention, you can't beat an etching primer.
31. Q. What are some good spray guns to use?
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If you're just starting out, a cheapie HVLP import spray gun from somewhere like Harbor Freight will work fine. I've seen some very good spray jobs come from some of these guns and have tried one out myself. Moving up in price and quality , Sharpe makes a good spray gun as do Binks and DeVilbiss. A good economy spray gun is the DeVilbiss Finishline series (app $150 for HVLP). Sata is generally known to produce some of the best gravity feed HVLP spray guns on the market. You need a decent quality modern spray gun to properly atomize urethane clears if you want the clear to flow out properly. When buying a spray gun, be sure your air compressor can handle the requirements.
32. Q. Are paint fumes really that dangerous and how can I protect myself?
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Yes. Read the safety data sheets for the paint products you are using and protect yourself accordingly. A good quality paint respirator or a Supplied Air System (SAS) is a must. Never paint w/o a good respirator. Reports of people dying from paint hardening up in people's lungs should scare you enough. Don't take risks. Be sure to paint in a well ventilated area. Also, reduce skin exposure to thinners and reducers by wearing chemical resistant rubber gloves when handling paint products.
33. Q. Can I get a good looking job in my garage?
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Yes. I've seen some fantastic paint jobs that were done by relatively inexperienced painters in average house garages and even outdoors. But you must take measures to reduce dust and spray when conditions are favorable (see more below).
34. Q. What are some tips when spraying in my garage?
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The secret is good preparation following all the proper steps and not cutting corners during preparation and painting. It's also important to take measures to reduce dust. Vacuum dust off the floor with a shop vac and cover with water before you paint to hold down dust. Make sure dust won't fall onto the paint from rafters or lights above the vehicle. Blow off vehicle. Blow off air compressor so when it starts up halfway through a paint job it doesn't blow dust all around. Wear a paint suit and head sock so dust from clothes and hair don't fall into the paint. Make sure you have a sturdy stool to stand on if necessary. Use wheel covers or cover with plastic bags. Mask around wheel wells and panel seams to prevent sudden dust from blowing out of cracks. Paint early in the day rather than later in the evening when bugs come out. They'll see your shop lights' reflection in your paint and fly right into it. If you paint outside, do it on a cloudy day. Don't paint in direct sunlight because the paint surface will warm up (from the sun) and it won't flow out. It'll look gravely. And obviously don't paint under trees.
35. Q. What are the mixing ratios of my paint?
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It varies between paints and manufacturers. Some common ratios are 1:1(equal parts paint and reducer), 2:1 (two parts paint to one part reducer), 4:2:1 (four parts primer to two parts reducer to one part hardener). Clear plastic mixing cups available where you buy your paint have common ratios and graduations on the side. They are the most convenient and accurate way to mix paint.
36. Q. What is a paint mixing cup?
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It's a clear plastic cup with graduated markings on the side for common mixing ratios. They're inexpensive and available where you buy your automotive paint. Some painters clean them out with thinner and reuse them several times. Small mixing cups about the size of a regular cup are great for mixing small amounts of paint for small repairs.
37. Q. Should I strain my paint? Why?
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. Yes, it's very important. It keeps paint particles from clogging your spray gun and chunks out of your paint. Most paint stores give away paper paint strainers for free when you buy your paint. strain the mixed paint before you put it in your gun. You'd think a can of paint would be free from contaminants, but remember, the paint you buy is actually mixed from a number of base colors sitting on the paint store's paint mixer. They pour in x number of grams of this color and some of that according to a formula. If you've ever seen the special lids on these cans you'd see gobs of dry crusty accumulated paint hanging off the pour spout. Small chunks often inadvertantly fall into the paint can as they pour it out. Any chunks will reek havok with a gravity-feed gun. Straining paint is just another small step to help ensure a good paint job.
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Q. How do I get my paint to flow out well without running?
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That's the million dollar question. It just takes practice to get the right touch and a 'feel' for how much to put on. You have to watch the paint as it's going on. But first, you must be set up properly. Be sure you have the correct air pressure at the gun and be sure the reducer you are using matches the temp you are spraying in. Test the spray pattern on a piece of cardboard and clean the nozzle if it doesn't appear like a long oval. As for spraying techniques, when you spray, hold the gun about 8-10" from the paint surface and perpendicular to it. Pull the trigger to the first level (no paint should be coming out). Begin moving your hand and pull the trigger in the rest of the way to allow paint to come out. Maintain a steady rate of travel and distance to the paint surface. Travel varies but 4-5 sec/yard is good to get started. Always make sure the gun nozzle is perpendicular to the surface. Each pass with the spray gun, the paint spray pattern should overlap the previous pass by 40-50%.

First, if you're spraying a clearcoat finish, you need to have the proper spray cap on your spray gun. Read your gun manufacturer's instructions and use the recommended cap. Older paint guns like the Binks model 7 or DeVilbiss JGA can't properly atomize clearcoats to get a nice finish. A #7 air cap can be purchased for the DeVilbiss JGA spray gun so it will perform properly.

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Q. What is a sealer and do I need to use it?
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It's recommended to use a sealer prior to painting. Here are some properties of a sealer:

  • Creates a uniform color and surface to paint over (important for metallics)
  • Improves paint adhesion
  • Creates a barrier to prevent the new paint's solvents from lifting the old paint
  • Fills in sand scratches and other minor surface imperfections (allows use of courser paper when sanding a vehicle than w/o using a sealer)
  • Tintable to vehicle color (reduces # of paint coats - saves money)
  • Improves paint gloss by deflecting reducers upward

Most sealers are non-sanding and are applied with a single medium-wet coat just prior to the first coat of paint. Usually after spraying the sealer, by the time the painter has cleaned the spray gun and mixed the paint, the sealer is dry enough to be painted over.

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Q. What is the best air pressure to spray at?
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Pressures vary depending on the brand and type of material you are spraying and your spray gun. You need to know the gun's nozzle orfice size (eg. 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 cc) and which air cap it has. Some spray gun manufacturers list the best combination of tip size, air cap and gun air pressure for various types of paint. So, check with the manufacturer for the best setup and spray pressures. Obtain product data sheets from your paint supplier for specific mixing instructions. Here are some general pressures that apply to a gravity feed gun:

Paint product
Pressure - PSI
Self etching primer 30-35
Epoxy primer 40-45
High-build primer 35-40
Sealer 40-45
Basecoat 40-45
Clearcoat 45-50
Acrylic enamel 55-60
Lacquer 35-40

Many HVLP guns use pressures in the 20-30 psi range.

41. Q. I got some runs in my paint, now what?
A.
You can sand them down and buff them out. If you do a good job you shouldn't be able to tell. Be aware that if it's a single-stage paint, you'll remove the thin layer of UV protectant at it's surface and it will eventually fade quicker in the sanded and buffed area than the rest of the paint job. If it's in the clear coat, you'll be ok.
 

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